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Helmut Rul
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Posted - 2005.04.21 11:10:00 -
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Edited by: Helmut Rul on 21/04/2005 11:14:04
Edited by: Helmut Rul on 21/04/2005 11:11:58
ews01 remember that we are not piloting fishing boats but frigates and frigates are quite often armed with heavy anti-ship missiles.
I belive the reason people are wanting the ability to mount a citadel torpedo launcher is not because they want a ship that carries weaponry larger than their ships, But rather that they and me myself for that matter feels that this would allow the bomber to be actually usefull due to the high damage from the citadel torpedo while still representing a minimal threath to frigates and cruisers (remember citadel torpedos move at a paltry 500m/s)
As for the frigate vs battleship balance it is important to remember that the entire point of the bomber is to present a threat to larger ships, in other words its very purpose is to attack far larger ships and at least have some hope of succeding after all we have many other ships that are far more capable in engaging cruisers and frigates such as assault ships, interceptors and destroyers.
We do not need another class of ships who excel in destroying other frigates as that part of the tactical setup is already covered.
That being said i do belive that the bombers will stay as they are until after the missile fix (and i personally do not understand why they released them now if the fix is only a month or so from release).
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Helmut Rul
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Posted - 2005.04.21 12:04:00 -
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Edited by: Helmut Rul on 21/04/2005 12:07:19
Sigarni people do not necessarily wish for their very own PWNmobile when they ask for the bomber to be improved they simply want their 100 million investment to make sense.
As the bomber is for the moment it simply makes no sense to invest in one. It is too slow, too fragile, it uses far to long time to lock its target and its dot is far to low. additionaly its big ace in the sleeve the cloaking ability is rendered almost useless due to all the limitations it is hobbled with.
People on this thread is therefore asking for the bomber to be improved, I do not belive anyone here asks for all the suggested changes to be made but that at least some are implemented to make it somewhat more competitive compared to other ships as the bomber is for the moment the equivalent of a 100 million isk clay pidgeon.
If the current stats are kept it seems destined for the same status as the support cruisers, or perhaps it will be even less popular the support cruisers after all have a small niche that only they can fulfill.
Finally i see several people that complain about the fact that the bomber will be able to dish out large amounts of damage to battleships if these changes are made , This is however its very purpose and the reason that it is equipped with cruise lanuchers is as slow as it is and has as few hitpoints.
Unfortunately when the devs made the bombers they failed miserably in making a ship that can threathen big ships and the weaknesses gives it a life expectancy comparable to that of a dodo surrounded by a pride of lions.
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Helmut Rul
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Posted - 2005.04.21 12:23:00 -
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Edited by: Helmut Rul on 21/04/2005 12:28:05
Just a little nitpick ews01, while the stealth bombers in the modern world are indeed fragile creations that has nothing to offer in a dogfight it does indeed carry the modern day equivalent of the citadel torpedo namely the hydrogen bomb and several of them at that,In addition i do not really belive that the bombers have close support from fighters, as far as i know there are no fighters that are as stealthy as the b-2 bomber and as such all a escort would accomplish would be to reveal the bombers position.
Still eve online is not the real world and i do share your worry for the bomber ganksquad but ultimately the bomber gankers would use as much money as most battleship gankers and be far far more fragile.
While i do agree that 100 million is an inflated price i do fear that the bombers as well as most other tech II ships will have artificially high prices until the research system is someday fixed.
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Helmut Rul
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Posted - 2005.04.21 13:43:00 -
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Edited by: Helmut Rul on 21/04/2005 13:49:07
Sigarni for some reason you seem to belive that i have purchased a bomber this is incorrect i do not have a bomber nor will i purchase one until they are far better and far cheaper.
However to make a point that may pierce your stubborn refusal to accept that bombers are currently very very bad i submit to you this : With the current stats i would not buy a bomber for even 2 million isk except perhaps as a collectors item.
They are getting killed by just about anything except newbie ships and lowend frigates, They struggle hard to kill any other tech II ship interceptors can tank the first volley of missiles and rip apart a bomber long before the second volley can be launched assault frigates can endure their attacks, virtually any cruiser will easily defeat them and against battleship they are about as effective as a rusty butterknife.
To put it bluntly the bombers sacrifice speed agility armor and shield and all they get for it is the ability to launch 2 or 3 cruisemissiles ever 20 seconds or so and the ability to use a cloak that any other ship can use as well.
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